The Aspie style of writing
Can you recognise an Aspie from the way they write? I’m fairly sure you can, if you know what to look for.
My own style of writing has always attracted attention. At school I did well in English classes, especially where creative writing was required. My homework assignment stories were often longer than those of my peers, and I suspect they were more elaborate too. Written assignments in other school subjects tended to produce reams of writing too, as did exams. I remember using two or three extra sheets of paper on some exams, where most of my peers wouldn’t need any extra.
So, my writing is wordy. I notice that I put in lots of detail, and I try and clarify everything so that you couldn’t possibly misinterpret what I’m saying. I’m also very careful to put extra words in to make it clear that something I’m explaining doesn’t happen all the time – only typically, or some of the time. Look – I even did that on my last paragraph:
Written assignments in other school subjects tended to produce reams of writing too, as did exams. I remember using two or three extra sheets of paper on some exams, where most of my peers wouldn’t need any extra.
It feels to me like my writing is very exact, yet at the same time is quite wishy-washy – I’m almost weaselling my way out of committing to hard limits.
Then there’s the passion. I feel my writing is passionate – it is one of the main ways that I express emotion. I feel very passionate when I write, and when I revisit something I wrote a while ago, I can usually still feel the passion that I had when I wrote it. I wonder if it comes across to those of you who read what I’ve written?
Another thing I’ve noticed is how my work flows. I usually have an idea about the general direction that an article will take, but the words almost write themselves as I think them – I don’t plan out the article before I write it. I think this makes quite a distinctive trail though the article – you can almost see the different directions that my thoughts take simply by following the words. I like the word flow to describe this – it seems to fit well.
At work, my writing still attracts attention. I’ve received many kind comments and expressions of surprise over the years about how well I’ve described a particular work issue, or how my change request documentation covers all eventualities.
I’ve also attracted the wrong sort of attention for my writing at work too – I tend to turn to writing when I get to the point that I’m frustrated with the way the business is run, or how the product is being developed. In these cases I tend to be far too honest about how I see things, which has on occasion lead to friction with management, who needless to say don’t like having the faults with their systems and products pointed out to them in such an unexpected and abrupt yet precise fashion.
Clearly the complexities of my writing style are unique to me, but do the general points that you can pick out apply to other Aspies too?
Well, I RSS quite a few blogs written by other Aspies these days, and I think I can see a pattern.
Many posts that I read are long. They end up using a lot of words to describe what is often a simple notion or a small piece of a bigger jigsaw puzzle. I suspect, that like me, other Aspies often naturally wish to put a lot of detail into what they write – they don’t want to be misinterpreted.
I said that I feel passionate about my own writing, and I get the impression from their writing style that other Aspie writers often do too. Of course, this isn’t solely an Aspie trait – I’ve read plenty of non-AS writing that clearly expresses passion in it too, but I have a hunch that the number of passionate Aspie writers is higher than the general average.
Finally, some other Aspie writers that I read obviously use the same sort of flow technique as me when they write. Like in my own work, I can follow their thought processes in the words they write, often quite obviously.
Do non-AS bloggers that I follow use any of these techniques? Well, maybe one or two use a selection from time to time. I do, however think that there is often a general pattern to the way that those of us with Asperger’s express ourselves in writing. It’s a distinct and recognisable pattern, and it’s different from the patterns used by non-AS writers.
Or maybe it’s the subjects that we write about that give it away…
Have any of you noticed this too?
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Catana on April 16th, 2009 Catana(Quote)
I’m not sure there’s such a thing as an Aspie style, though there may be similarities in the way we approach topics. Some of what you say about your writing is very different from mine, and some is quite similar. I don’t do creative writing, and my work is deeply analytical rather than passionate. I’ve noticed that some Aspie bloggers are very precise in what they write, but others can barely express their thoughts clearly. So…?
Soph on April 16th, 2009 Soph(Quote)
I do think you sound like me sometimes when you write. You make a good point about all the clarifications and the use of words like “tended.”
I had a go at professional writing and soon realised that I load far too much detail into my work. I’m fairly good at stripping it out nowadays, but I didn’t used to be.
James on April 17th, 2009 James(Quote)
Brill – I hoped that this article would bring out opposing views, and it has, to a degree.
I read the blogs written both by Catana and Soph – you can too by clicking on their name at the start of their comments above. If you go and take a look, you’ll see that they do have different styles of writing.
I agree with Soph – I think our writing style is quite similar in a lot of respects much of the time, and I think it backs up what I was saying about the potential of there being a typical Aspie writing style.
Catana on the other hand makes the very good point that his writing style is in some ways different. Catana’s writing is almost invariably short – usually 5 paragraphs or under per article.
If you discount the length of articles, I think that Catana’s writing style is quite similar to mine and Soph’s. The subject matter is of course a give away, but the descriptive style is once again quite similar to both mine and Soph’s, I think.
Catana, you say that you don’t use passion in your writing, yet I see passion when I read what you’ve written on your blog. That dichotomy is interesting to me – I think the combination of words you use suggests to me a writer who is passionate about the subject they are writing about. Perhaps I see myself in your words, and as I’m passionate about my writing, I make an assumption.
I know nothing of your background, Catana, other than what you’ve written in your blog – which incidentally means I don’t even know if you are male or female (not that it matters). You do however suggest in one of your blog posts that you used to write for money. I wonder, perhaps if your much shorter than Aspie-average blog posts are a product of being a trained writer? A camouflage of sorts, learned to help you fit in with your peers? That is pure guess work on my part.
I’ve also noticed, as Catana did, that some ASD bloggers have trouble writing well structured articles, and those same bloggers frequently have issues with spelling and grammar as well. However, these bloggers frequently have the flow style that I mentioned in my article, and . I’ve made my own assumption about these bloggers, that they are more profoundly affected by their autism than I am. That, of course, is an assumption on my part, and nothing more.
Your follow-ups and further comments on this would be most welcome.
Soph on April 17th, 2009 Soph(Quote)
Some people on the autism spectrum could talk the hind legs off a donkey, others (like me) are much quieter. It might be that some people write a lot and others don’t.
I know one autistic boy who can’t write at all and doesn’t appear to have talk about special interests (I wonder if he’s been told not too?) Just going off on a tangent there …
Soph on April 17th, 2009 Soph(Quote)
typo “have talk about”
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Gavin Bollard on April 17th, 2009 Gavin Bollard(Quote)
I can so relate to this post.
I have trouble with not going into too much detail – even when I’m making comments on other people’s blogs. At work, I’m frequently asked to stop the detail, but I can’t.
I don’t think there’s an explicit “aspie style” but I do agree that much of our writing is similar. That’s because we’re so pedantic. My writing is often full of implicit disclaimers. I try not to use generalisations but instead use words like (“try not to”, “tend to”, “mostly”, “frequently” or “sometimes”) – I can already see that I’ve done it here.
The result is a sort of “flowery” speech which takes much longer to get the point across but which IMHO is far clearer than the crap that many NTs write.
Anon on April 18th, 2009 Anon(Quote)
There is a very famous author that I suspect may have AS.
I remember at primary school being told that my writing was too concise. ISTR I used to boil it all down to a very concise few sentences with very specific vocabulary from which I thought the rest could be inferred, but I was told not to do that, that I needed to expand it.
Anna on May 13th, 2009 Anna(Quote)
I just found this.
“Correct but short answers to essay questions are a constant problem for AS school children. The student may have mastered the subject matter, but doesn’t “see any need” to expostulate on it.”
http://asplanet.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=63
James on April 18th, 2009 James(Quote)
Anon,
How interesting – this sounds like the opposite of what I do. I wonder if you had previously been told off for writing things that were too wordy?
Go on then – what’s the author’s name?
Anon on April 28th, 2009 Anon(Quote)
James wrote “I wonder if you had previously been told off for writing things that were too wordy?” and I replied no. ISTR I used to just give my answer, but they wanted me to show more of my working and demonstrate how I got to that answer. Go through the whole thing step by step.
James on April 18th, 2009 James(Quote)
Gavin,
I agree completely about the ‘floweriness’ of writing that you mention.
It feels to me that without all the additional detail that I put in (and often go back and continue to add upon re-reading), that the text wouldn’t be complete.
Like you, I think that adding more words makes what I write clearer. Not concise by any means, but clearer than I could manage if I were to pare it down to make it concise.
I often have to implement things at work, where the documentation is written by others. I’m continuously amazed at how lacking in detail it often is. I’ve sometimes gone as far as telling my boss that I can’t possibly implement what I’ve been told to do, because I don’t trust the instructions due to them having obvious detail missing.
Ralf on November 16th, 2009 Ralf(Quote)
I agree completely and in fact just the other day had an example at work, where I had some blocks of text which didn’t fit into the spaces I had in my presentation slides. So I set about ‘editing’ them, unfortunately my first attempts ended up, in each case, adding significantly to the length of the text.
Thus meaning I then had an even harder job of cutting it down to fit.
I absolutely believe there is an Aspie style of writing as I too love (and am proud) of the way that I write. Even though some people seem to take umbrage to my choice of words and the way that I structure sentences (adding extra detail within parenthesis is a particular favourite of mine).
Ralf
Anon on April 18th, 2009 Anon(Quote)
James – I don’t want to post the author’s name because I wouldn’t want to be outed myself, and if I am right, that’s what I’d be doing. If the person concerned ever comes out, I’ll let you know that was the one I meant!
No, I hadn’t previously been told off for writing that was too wordy.
You’ve seen my posts here, I do put in that detail and clarification now (I nearly wrote “I think I do tend to”, which is an obvious “yes”!). I wonder if/when/why I changed. Maybe because the teacher told me to expand more. If I had examples of my writing I could look back and compare, but I don’t. I don’t think I was good at creative writing.
Do you think in words or diagrams?
I’m very interested in something I read on Catana’s blog about Aspergers and giftedness. I have also read things online about the difference between Aspergers and giftedness. Looking at the differences, I fall into the Aspergers type. Until I read all this stuff recently, I always thought I was intelligent, in the sense that I score well on IQ tests. But now I’m feeling that I am not really intelligent, I just have some Asperger mock ability to do well on IQ tests, and it’s somehow fake.
Soph on April 20th, 2009 Soph(Quote)
With regards to mock ability. I sometimes feel like I appear to be a good creative writer because I can mimic literary styles. Thing is, I’m never able to do it for more than a few paragraphs so I never get any further.
Catana on April 20th, 2009 Catana(Quote)
“’m very interested in something I read on Catana’s blog about Aspergers and giftedness. I have also read things online about the difference between Aspergers and giftedness. Looking at the differences, I fall into the Aspergers type. Until I read all this stuff recently, I always thought I was intelligent, in the sense that I score well on IQ tests. But now I’m feeling that I am not really intelligent, I just have some Asperger mock ability to do well on IQ tests, and it’s somehow fake.”
Anon, you can be aspie and gifted. They’re different things, so they’re not mutual exclusive. If you do well on IQ tests, it has nothing to do with being aspie; everything to do with your inteligence. And real giftedness isn’t strictly a function of IQ, at least not once you hit 120 or above.
Anon on April 25th, 2009 Anon(Quote)
Thanks Catana. I have read online the chart that shows the difference between bright and gifted, and considered that I fell mostly on the gifted side.
Then since I found out I may have Aspergers, I have been reading all this stuff online about gifted children being misdiagnosed as having Aspergers/ADHD/etc when they do not, or children with Aspergers seeming very intelligent because they know a lot of information, but that doesn’t mean they really understand it.
So I’ve been very confused about where I fit in. Perhaps I am both borderline gifted and borderline AS.
There’s a book on google called Twice-exceptional and special populations of gifted students, and on page 52-57 it talks about the similarities and differences between gifted and AS.
Anon on April 27th, 2009 Anon(Quote)
I wish I could get this straight in my head. As you say “real giftedness isn’t strictly a function of IQ”. Certainly I have no remarkable achievements. Looking at the bright child/gifted child differences, I relate to the gifted way of thinking such as “A bright child knows the answers, but it is the gifted child who asks the questions. A bright child is a good memorizer; a gifted child is a good guesser. A bright child will work hard while a gifted child plays around, yet tests well. A bright child is pleased with his or her own learning, while a gifted child may be highly self-critical.” My IQ is high, but not remarkably high, but I relate to that way of thinking.
I did a proper IQ test years ago, but am self-diagnosed WRT Aspergers, it’s possible I am wrong, and it is down to something else, maybe simple anxiety would be enough to cause a higher score on the AQ test, but if it is then that’s not a very good test is it… I did do the online AQ test, but I kind of feel that I wouldn’t treat an online IQ test as valid, so maybe I shouldn’t treat the online AQ test as valid either, IYSWIM. OTOH, I find Aspie blogs very easy to read.
James on April 28th, 2009 James(Quote)
Anon,
Your style of writing and the subjects and detail you use suggests to me that you are quite similar in many ways to me – if you aren’t an Aspie then neither am I.
I’ve not tackled intelligence/giftedness in the same level of detail as you, however when I was younger and lacking of an explanation as to why I was different and why I was bullied at school etc, I reached the conclusion that it was because I was intelligent.
I’ve never been able to qualify that all that well, as my intelligence seems to be subtly different to my peers in ways I can’t quite put my finger on.
Does that make any sense to you?
I’m starting to relax into my world that is at least partly defined by Asperger’s. As part of this I’m learning to accept that I have subtle differences from the norm in many areas, and that I can’t always define in words how these differences work. Maybe one day I’ll define them all, but that doesn’t feel too important right now. Acceptance of who I am is far more important.
Incidentally, it’s great to see a conversation going on here in the comments!
Anna on May 18th, 2009 Anna(Quote)
Over the last week I’ve been going over it in my head. First I thought I didn’t have Asperger’s. Then I thought I did have AS, but wasn’t gifted, and now I think I don’t have AS, and I’m not gifted. Reasonably high scores on IQ tests, but not gifted. I do score way above normal on the AQ test, but it is just an online test, and perhaps there could be other reasons for some of the points I score.
James on May 18th, 2009 James(Quote)
In the end, the only person that can really decide which pigeon-hole fits is you. Perhaps none of them will fit.
If it’s any help, I have been through spells of serious self-doubt since I first tentatively attached the Aspie label to myself.
When feeling unsure I tend to focus on subtle difference between my own behaviour and those in the texts. Ultimately I realise that I’m being a little daft, and the subtle difference is so small as to not have any real bearing on things.
In my case, the vast majority of the literature – be it formal books or personal blogs supports the fact that I have AS, and that’s good enough for me.
You, of course may feel something rather different…
Anna on May 18th, 2009 Anna(Quote)
James – thanks for replying. They say it shades into normality, so I suppose partly I am questioning where the line should be drawn, at what point does something become a “syndrome”? I suppose one answer is, the point at which it becomes a problem. I will try to reply more later when I have worked out my reply.
Have you read this blog? http://beastinblack.blogspot.com/ He does have an official diagnosis.
val on January 8th, 2010 val(Quote)
i tick the boxes but dont have special interest, but do completely allow whatever it is im looking for info on at any given time completly take over my life and my thoughts, lots of late nights and internet research, and tho im not into books will buy books on that interest and read them almost in one nite
Sandy on May 5th, 2009 Sandy(Quote)
Interesting observation; I tend to blog in “the aspie style”. I’m self-conscious about it, though, and edit heavily!
When doing any academic writing it’s just the opposite, I can’t seem to write enough. I’m so careful about sticking to the facts and no more that my writing is pretty sparse.
Just discovered your blog and am enjoying it!
James on May 6th, 2009 James(Quote)
Sandy,
Welcome, and I’m glad you are enjoying your time here.
It’s funny how ideas seem to grow and cement themselves over time. In the few weeks since I wrote this article, I seem to have settled on an outcome that the article was trying to work towards.
I think there is a certain style of writing that when I look at it makes me think ‘aspie’. The style is similar to my own, and I do see it in several of the other Aspie blogs I read.
Whilst the original article may have tried to put this across as “all aspies share writing styles”, I’d now settle for “a certain style of writing seems to be associated with some aspies”.
If I saw the same style of writing from someone I’d not read before, I’d immediately suspect they had an ASD. I wonder if I’d be right?
Liz on August 5th, 2009 Liz(Quote)
Have you ever thought that the flowery writing style might be related to impairment of executive function. In my family, we also have temporal lobe epilepsy, and I tend towards hypergraphia–the overwhelming urge to write (especially when I’m overtired). I haven’t seen hypergraphia listed as an Asperger’s symptom, but it feels like it should be, since it is through our executive function that we edit ourselves, isn’t it? Part of my urge to write is to edit on paper what my brain seems muddled about. Often after I’ve been overwhelmed in the real world, I retreat to my computer keyboard to sort out what’s bothering me. Is that what creates “Aspie style?”
James on August 6th, 2009 James(Quote)
Hi Liz,
Good to have you on board, hope you find the site interesting that you’ll continue to drop by.
In a very real sense, this site is exactly what you describe as sitting down at a computer keyboard to sort out what’s bothering you.
After I realised that the profile of Asperger’s appeared to fit me, I spent a great deal of time pouring over information in books and on the Internet. In order to make sense of this I found – as indeed I always have – that writing was the best approach.
Much as I write emails and case notes for items I’m dealing with at work to reach conclusions about work issues, I was writing a website to untangle and make sense of my thoughts about AS.
If you look at the ‘Article by Date’ section on the right of each page of this site you’ll notice how this worked. My output started small, ramped up quickly and then plateaued for a few months as I hit the limit of what I could write in the time I had available to me.
As life started to make more sense for me, and I gained confidence in my newly found autism, my output started to tail off. I didn’t need to write as much.
I’ve also found my confidence in expressing things in this anonymous blog (James isn’t my real name) also increased as time passed. In the early posts I’d only use ‘AS’, and not Asperger’s. In recent times I’ve found myself using the word Autism too.
I think you are right. Writing is my most natural language, and I really do use it to make sense of my thoughts – it’s the only real tool I have to do that. It would make a great deal of sense if that was related to my executive dysfunction.
James
Liz on August 5th, 2009 Liz(Quote)
Also, for someone who thinks they have Aspergers, but isn’t sure, the book by Michael John Carley, “Aspergers from the Inside Out,” is a great read. Be warned, you might be halfway through the book before you experience your “AHA!” moment.
James on August 6th, 2009 James(Quote)
I haven’t read Michael’s book – will have to look out for it.
My equivalent “aha!” was to be found in Tony Attwood’s The Complete Guide To Aspeger’s Syndrome, which I wrote about here.
Saja on August 7th, 2009 Saja(Quote)
This reminds me of an event from graduate school. I studied computer graphics for a while (the programming type, virtual reality and that kind of thing, not the artistic type), and one of my research-assistant duties was maintaining the display code for the department’s self-built graphics computer. This code had been written and expanded over several years by many different people, most of whom didn’t comment their code well, or at all. So as I was adding my modifications to the code, I also went back and figured out what all those other little snippets of code did, and commented them. In great detail.
This, and my classroom coding assignments, led one of my professors to tell me I commented TOO well, in too much detail, and I should try to tone it down. I am quite possibly the only computer programmer ever in the history of the universe to be told she comments TOO thoroughly!
James on August 7th, 2009 James(Quote)
Well. You’re not the only person to have had the verbosity of their commenting remarked upon.
I wrote a lot of custom scripts for a software system I worked on in my last job, and commented my work religiously. A little while after I left, I met my replacement in a gathering of geeks.
“Oh – so you are the guy that wrote all the comments!” was his opening remark to me…
TheSpecialKid on December 27th, 2009 TheSpecialKid(Quote)
Man! I was half-way though the article before i realized that you ment writing style as in: “The way the words get to the paper”, and not: “How the handwriting looks”.
TheSpecialKid on December 27th, 2009 TheSpecialKid(Quote)
Oh, and yeah, I’ve noticed it. I can definitely see the pattern too, and I can recognize it in your wrinting too. I fully see the passion of your writing “burning through”.
Oh, and now when I say “recognize”, you have a typo in the post (which I actually would say is as good as an article): “recognisable pattern” (recognizable pattern).
val on January 8th, 2010 val(Quote)
i think this aspie writting style fits me and im fighting for a diagnoses, was fobbed off with unstable personality disorder. my boy being assessed and my girl fobbed off too.